Jane Milovanova: Self-Made Entrepreneur, ISOUL Community, Discipline, True Love, and the Power of Naivness | Be Yourself Podcast

Jane Milovanova

Self-made entrepreneur and founder of the ISOUL women's community — on discovering true passion, why discipline beats motivation, how naivness is a superpower, the 21st century plague of loneliness, and what true love really means

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Entrepreneurship · Community · Relationships · Discipline · Self-Development

About the Guest

Jane Milovanova — Founder of ISOUL, Self-Made Entrepreneur, and a Woman Who Has Never Settled for Less

Jane Milovanova is an embodiment of what it looks like to build a life entirely on your own terms. She is a self-made individual who has consistently challenged the status quo and defied every internal and external voice that told her the goals she was setting were too mind-boggling to be realistic. She did not settle. She turned her dreams into reality — and she has built a community dedicated to helping other women do exactly the same.

That community is ISOUL — a space for women entrepreneurs that Jane created not as a business project but as an answer to a need she felt deeply herself. The values at the core of ISOUL are the values Jane has lived by: radical honesty, genuine connection, the courage to be curious, and the discipline to show up every single day regardless of how you feel.

Who She Is
Self-made entrepreneur, founder of the ISOUL women entrepreneurs community, and a person who has consistently set and achieved goals that most people would consider unreachable — then helped others do the same.
What She Built
ISOUL — a community for women entrepreneurs built on genuine values: real connection, radical honesty, discipline, and the shared refusal to settle for a life that does not match your actual dreams.
Her Philosophy
Dream visualization is not a motivational exercise — it is a serious daily practice. Discipline is not the opposite of freedom — it is the foundation of it. And naivness, properly understood, is not a weakness but the clearest path to doing things others have already decided are impossible.
Her Insight on Love
True love is loving without needing love in return. A simple sentence that takes years to actually understand — and a lifetime to actually practice.

Episode Chapters

0:00 Intro 1:35 Tell us About Your Ongoing Projects 3:10 Tell us About Your Professional Background 4:19 How Did you Discover your True Passion? 9:30 How Are You Not Afraid to Take the Lead of Faith? 12:00 Are you Inherently Curious? 13:59 Mental Pleasure 16:22 Importance of Dream Visualization 17:30 How Are You Planning Stuff? 19:45 Running a Marathon is Equatable to Business 22:45 How Important Discipline Is? 24:30 WHY Did You Create ISOUL Community? 27:45 Main Values in Your Community 30:35 21st Century Plague — Loneliness 33:15 Building Non-Toxic World 35:15 Naivness as a SuperPower 37:50 Dissolving Ego 39:50 The Signs of Our Calling 44:00 The Secret of Healthy Relationships 52:00 True Love is Loving without Needing Love in Return 53:25 Settle for the Package 55:16 How Hiring is Similar to Dating 57:20 Perspective on Mentorship 59:00 Last Word

Full Transcript

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0:00 Intro
Serhiy everybody Welcome to the be yourself podcast the podcast on expressing our true selves today my guest is Jane milanov she's an entrepreneur a creator of is Soul Community in the United States and in my view an incredibly creative and fascinating individual hi Jane thanks for being on my podcast
Jane hi sir gase night meeting you hi everyone
Serhiy so I really I I got I got to uh check all like your your Instagram and I got to check your profile and uh the video that picked my interest was the video where you so openheartedly and sincerely described what what uh you are not and that actually was kind of really was for me something that you don't see really often and this authenticity that you manifested really really resonated with me uh can you tell just in general uh about uh yourself at the moment how long have you been in the US and what are your main um vocations as far as business goes and
1:36 Tell us About Your Ongoing Projects
Jane absolutely um so I'm based in United States I'm here already for more than five years and I consider this country my home though I'm originally from Ukraine I do my own business as International women Community I soul and uh it's a place where you know each women every women can feel a lot life and be yourself express yourself and just support each other because lots of people right now going through a migration through really lots of difficulties and it's very important to be around likeminded people so this is a huge idea behind it where we all as women can grow Inspire each other and discover the beauty of ourselves um I love United States and actually I love to travel I live as a digital at for probably three years without a home just traveling doing lots of workshops Around the World Travel do women Retreats women circles that's all my life and you know uh I think I do what my heart desires Workshops can you let's
Serhiy backpaddle a little bit to to conduct workshops to run workshops you have to have an expertise in something so talk about your background
Jane oh absolutely yeah I mostly do workshops that are you know business related or self-esteem related I have a huge background working in different companies in marketing project
3:13 Tell us About Your Professional Background
Jane management I was a CEO in three different businesses here in United States I was managing big teams like 200 employees all over the world uh building lots of startups and it's mostly connected around education artificial intelligence um or Consulting so I took all of this experience and now I help another women who want to grow and build their own businesses to start and you know utilizing all of this managing experience marketing experience leadership and emotional intelligence I help other people to grow that's what I'm inspired right now to do and not to work for another company what I was doing for a long time I wanted build something on my own using my own experience as well so this is my background
Serhiy fascinating what was was there some kind of a pivotal moment where you realized that the path that you were going like that you were pursuing like I'm trying always my my main
4:24 How Did you Discover your True Passion?
Serhiy question for the podcast is how you discovered your true true passion because uh a lot of people who are starting companies are not perfect candidates to run companies because the skill set to start a company is different from managing people hiring people I know this firsthand this actually really interesting because uh I also realized that I only take interest in starting things up but I'm I'm kind of dying under the pressure of day-to-day routine right so I think we're kind of similar in this respect but was there like a moment like aha moment where that when you realize that uh I want to do something different and maybe you can elaborate in that
Jane oh yes absolutely uh I think there were a couple of moments like that in my life first when I was working in Coca-Cola uh for I think two and a half years in marketing and at some point I just figure out that you know I don't want to be a small tiny little part of a huge system doing something that doesn't really make an impact and I don't want to be controlled by so many rules that are actually getting me stuck and I just looked to on my manager you know and I I said you know I don't want to be like her I it's amazing pass it's just like not my path so that's what triggered me at the beginning I was by the way 20 at that time and the second moment was when I already was here in the United States and I felt like I was you know I got stuck in lots of operations I was having Zoom calls every morning for hours and hours managing lots of different processes and it got me drained like I was just stuck in all this problem Solutions connect pushing people to do something and it's hard when you are on top of the top and you're responsible but it feels like your team is right now you know under the pressure of you and I felt like I'm putting so much energy into something that I will need eventually to leave and that was the second aha moment when I thought like yeah now I want to invest in something that I'm building for myself and that gives me as much energy as I I give so return
Serhiy process yeah that's a good one because if something that you are investing into does not feed you back it's kind of be a could be a oneway Street Exchange which is not something that we want to have in life but okay tell me about early um like mat ation because I think you you just mentioned that at 20 years old everything started for you how come you are so young and have so much experience under your belt
Jane I think it depends on your desire to leave so my growth was pretty fast I started to work when I was like 13 years old uh by 16 I already understood what I really want that I want connect my career and professional growth with marketing being an influencer uh I didn't consider to be a leader at that time like project management but I I wanted to work with people so do lots of communication and when I was studying in University I at the same time was working in corporation in Coca-Cola so it was combination and very busy time for me so by the age of 23 I already figure out that I don't want to work in a corporation and that I want to be you know more on my own and I want to travel and live in another country because I have you know more Ambitions and I want to see the world and do it more scalable attitude so I just decided to go to the states without anything just on my own just one way ticket uh very risky and I started here like from scratch I was working as a nanny I was working as a model I was working as an influencer and you know Stone to Stone step to step I was building my career here and that's where I am right now at my 29 lots of decision making lots of decision making
Serhiy well that's what you're saying is admirable and almost unbelievable like I'm I'm sitting here I'm thinking what was the driving force for this lady did you okay let's talk about that what's the
9:32 How Are You Not Afraid to Take the Lead of Faith?
Serhiy motivation behind your decisions all these decisions that are strategic decisions and taking risk that some people are not willing to take in in their life at all just living someone else's life you know and then um complaining and having regrets why you are able to make these tough decisions why you are are able to you know go go for whatever Springs to your mind what's the motivation
Jane uh it's a very good question uh because for me the main motivation was never settle full us I mean I always pursue my dreams and if I have a picture of how my reality should look like I will do everything I can so if I have something which is not 100% that's my dream picture is I don't settle for it I'll just have a lot of motivation to move forward and you know I know a perfect vision of how my life should really look like for my kids for my future family I'm not married yet but planning to and uh I just pursu this motivation to look my life like that every single day not in 10 years not in 20 years I'm just want it to to be like that right now and that what pursue you to your dreams what push you to your dreams what leads you what drives you when you open your eyes maybe you're very tired maybe you don't have you know enough strengths to do something today but this vision and face is actually an amazing inspiration to do sex
Serhiy yeah I think that a lot of people who are drained and feeling like exhausted every single day coming back from work are just misplaced that's my my deep deep belief but unfortunately not a lot of people are able to go for something bigger than they think they can like just just having this broader perspective a lot of people don't know you know wter once said you don't know that what you don't know know and when you say that you know a
12:02 Are you Inherently Curious?
Serhiy perfect picture have an Outlook of your perfect life it begs a question or it begs it begs an assumption that you are ingrain inherently super curious is that safe to say that you before you can Envision something that you want you have to see it correct me from wrong are you a super curious person from your very very early childhood how did you even know that there is an un states that there is an American Dream how did you come across English language
Jane um I actually you know I just have lots of international friends especially Americans and I didn't consider America like you know my American dream I was just traveling I was constantly traveling like to Asia to Europe and then America was just like another step and I was like yeah wellow why not I loved English all my life it's like my you know first to second language I always spoke it uh my my aunt she was a teacher of English so we spoke always like three languages in my family Ukrainian Russian and English so I was just like okay I'll just love it and I was just speaking it and uh I was always curious to explore something I live by emotions and as you mentioned about my real that I showed that Cartier is not only one my biggest speci just because I live by emotions I'm curious for Explorations I like to travel I like new motions crazy things lots of adrenaline things that what me you know drives me and brings me lots of joy in my life
Serhiy yes so you're adrenaline extreme addict so well in a good sense sense of this word right instead of it's more it's more mental
14:02 Mental Pleasure
Jane it's more mental pleasure not like I you know like adrenaline itself I just like what lessons I learned I like challenges I like achieving goals and adrenaline is a good you know lesson for you with you know feeling related what you feel to do something because you grow through it you expand your limits that's what I love about it
Serhiy yeah and I recently watched an interview of Joe dispenser you know this guy yeah he's saying that people are not ready to change unless they're ready to feel something and unless they're ready to kind of go through a particular emotion and it's not enough just to set your mind to something or think about something right to get closer to what you want it's actually super important to feel something new and kind of understand how how how when you are envisioning or Vis like doing this exercise of visualization right you also have to almost put your body into the state right and try to Maybe by um meditating or something or priming you know T Tony Robbins uh one of I think his most watched video on YouTube is priming exercise where you prime your brain to feel something uh that you want you know and you and you almost feel it in your body what is going to be like when you are for example giving a speech to thousands of people that's like that's one of my goals right to give speech to thousands of people and I when I'm priming my mind I almost practically feeling this right and it's not like it's a dream you have to Envision it as as it is a reality it's already happened and then your body starts to react and I mean for for for you to just go for whatever you think could be could be growing you is just so so admirable tell me yes exactly anything you want to add to this small sentiment
16:30 Importance of Dream Visualization
Jane uh I just want to say that I absolutely agree and I think that everything we wanted to achieve starts from our mind when we have this picture in our heads we are already you know expanded to this kind of life and the next step we prepare our you know knowledges our experience our skill sets everything to achieve this thing but everything starts from your head and if you do not think that like oh this life can be mine I I don't think I can dream it I don't think I really can achieve it you're limiting yourself by saying No this life is not for me so I am absolutely without any limits if I want something I dream about it and then start the process of how I going to achieve it which is of course not a very easy pass always but at least you you know start doing different actions to achieve it
Serhiy can you give an example of a a planned out strategy that worked for you because for me plants never work because it's it's never the way you design I'm not I'm like I want
17:35 How Are You Planning Stuff?
Serhiy it to be a better planner in my life maybe that's why I I'm able to create things but not particularly maintain them that's why I lost the business that I started with my co-founder uh and you know just because I I just lose interest uh as I go tell me about maybe just give give like for our audience to just really um through the lenses of your experience maybe with something that you achieved like how did you how did you approach it and did it all go well a according to a plan
Jane okay so yes I have couple of really different examples and uh I'm an ambassador of a gel methodology because I used to work a lot in it so I really like to manage my plan in ag Gile approach it means that I have a strategic goal but the plan can be changed all the time because the perfect plan sometimes is a changeable plan so I can adjust all of the changes that are happening consistently in my life but I have a strategic goal so my mindset is ready to change and apply it for any kind of situation the perfect example actually not business related was the New York Marathon so I ran a New York Marathon uh in 2021 and I was absolutely not a runner I just took this goal because I thought oh that's a cool goal sounds impossible to me and I made a plan to train like on weekly basis with my couch and prepare for this and that was more you know mind exercise because it was something that was really hard for me I Was preparing I was running my heart rate was up to 100 I was screaming I was saying no but finally after nine months of preparation I've done it I ran this mhone and I felt
Serhiy complet 42 42 kilometers 42 kilometers 42 kilometers and I felt
Jane amazing so the thing about planning is that I planned to train and I knew how
19:50 Running a Marathon is Equatable to Business
Jane is perfect to train but I was always adjusting it to my own situation if I felt great I ran more if I didn't have you know mood to do it today I was not pushing myself through that so I felt kind of aligned with everything that goes in my mind and everything that goes in my life but it still helped me tactically to achieve my goal and I think running a marathon is a great example of building a business or achieving anything in life because you do small steps to consistent progress day to day in your mind in your health in your body in your soul and then you achieve the perfect goal that's my Approach
Serhiy yes Simon syic says he always preaches about consistency over intensity like when we're brushing our teeth uh or going to a gym not no good will come from training for 24 hours in a row right but if you just go to a gym twice a week but consistently for like over over the span of a year you're gonna see the result I also wanted to ask you yeah yeah speaking about Simon simik his most famous book start with is also a great uh addition uh because when you're starting with why you can achieve any goal because you have a perfect question to consistently do your actions instead of you know considering of how and what it's important but the most important is why just remember one you told about s yeah yeah yeah well I'm I'm I'm I'm one of his ambassadors basically all all all my business coaching revolves around Studies by Simon syic and uh it was really funny and kind of inspiring when I asked that his team to give me a discount for one of his courses and it was it was the like a year into a war and I said that I'm a Ukrainian I want to spread the message i w to help ukrainians to kind of lead and see the world the way Simon talks about it and they and they didn't reply for like a month and they did send me a message that Sergey like you're making the world better better place here's the scores for free this is one of the most inspiring things happened to me but anyhow I think when you said that you had a strategic goal but you adjusted uh these steps you know as you as you were as you were preparing you still did not compromise the process you you still like if you set out to do something you still did it right like how important is
22:47 How Important Discipline Is?
Serhiy the discipline because you can adjust it you can adjust it to like and and not and for and maybe start losing your skills because of the adjustments so so there should be like a proper I think like um measure like a measure to everything
Jane yes absolutely uh discipline is incredibly important but I would say it's still just a tool it's not the key the key is you know your own space like how do you feel inside because this reflects your efficiency this reflects how do you do things and this reflects your mindset so discipline is a you have to build your time I'm consistently you know disciplined and doing lots of things but what drives me into the discipline is again you know the thing why I want to achieve that why I want to do that the big mission the big role around it and of course I also like the thing about changing the discipline to Habit so when I transfer something from discipline to habits so it's easier you know it not becomes a regular Tusk it's just a habit that I do something something and it's much easier for our mind not to you know confront it and just easy uh easy do that so yeah
Serhiy because discipline it kind of entails or implies the necessity of overcoming something or do doing like something through like using will power while while habit is just a habit right it's neutral it's just something that you're that you do speaking of why speaking of the purpose what is the purpose of iso
24:32 WHY Did You Create ISOUL Community?
Serhiy Community what is the why behind ISO Community why did you did you create it
Jane I think the main purpose is to build a safe place for women to grow to inspire Inspire each other and to support because right now the world is pretty unsafe and uh it's so cool when you can you know be open-minded it when you can be just yourself when you can love yourself because there's so many standards right now for women how we should be and I think it's very important for us to you know be ourselves and uh you know find this kind of safe place in the women environment where you can you know come and say all of your problems where you can get an advice where you can you know just you know Express what you feel and understand that you're not alone and the place where you can grow together with the same values because you know I like to unite people who have same values that H that's why I talk with every girl who want to enter the community it's not like you just pay and you come no you spoke with speak with me on the first hand and then you feel like all of the questionary and then you come to our community because our place is super safe for everyone and and we are very diverse different religious different countries different places more than 22 countries we and it's very important that still we are likeminded so everyone can feel safe you know about themselves and I think it's super important especially for everyone right now because we're all around the world we are sometimes very alone without our friends without our families we're just by ourselves and you don't have your previous favorite yoga teacher or you don't have your you know previous cosmetologist but you have everything right now online you can travel to any country and you will be sure that you have there a friend a women a woman from our community where to come and this idea is just incredibly inspiring that what I faced coming to United States I couldn't find my people like at all I was completely alone I I felt so desperate because I I didn't have anyone whom I want to talk to and feel really great it just drained me all communication so now I'm building the place so other girls who come going to feel amazing in different parts of the world and that's actually what everyone is saying who's already in the community I think it's more than 120 people now 20 women
Serhiy cool hopefully yeah your community gonna gonna grow and you will still remain as enthusiastic about it because we all know that the the bigger the Community becomes more difficult to I'm not sure if I want to use the word manage but it's still gota have some some kind of a guidance well for for the for the for the entry entry requirements who do you filter as how do you how do you decide that the person is right for the
27:50 Main Values in Your Community
Serhiy community can you like talk about the set of values that you all uh are around kind of United
Jane absolutely uh so the main value is respect and by respect I mean not just general respect it's respect to each other space to each other time to each other you know values so everyone who comes they come to the workshops they say always gratitude they really take care of the expert time uh so everyone is building communication based on respect so if you receive you give that's what mutual respect is about because sometimes people want just to consume you know and it's not really great so first value is respect and second value is you know all of kind of things that are around diversity because we have to really be safe on ourselves and behave like we wanted to behave so I would want to make sure that the girls who are facing different challenges it like I saw soul is the right place for them and that they are kind of you know ready to share some experiences to be safe for other girls to be respectful to other girls to accept them for who you are they will not sell something over there because some people come to the community like they want to just get some sales we allow a lots of advertisement we allow to share your products we allow like all the things and many girls earned a lot by you know Finding clients in our community building collaborations doing different Partnerships and just finding work but this should be really really safe and easy and with you know the reaction and willing to give so if you don't share this values you're really will not you know feel comfortable around us and it feels immediately so I feel it like intuition by talking to people and by reading the questionary and also the price our price to community is like 600 per year and uh you can also buy just a membership for three months which is 300 and this is a great price because it's very affordable but at the same time it filters the people who want just to consume receive and they don't appreciate other people you know uh time and work and experience and knowledges so that's how we filter
Serhiy yeah yeah that's big time and I think I I saw something on your videos related to what I believe is the underlying
30:41 21st Century Plague — Loneliness
Serhiy Reason Not only for people who move to another country but an underlying reason for depression is loneliness I think that it's kind of funny how people people of absolutely different sides from different sides of the spectrum starting from people who are in poty to for example I watched the interview of Brian chesy Airbnb founder who's who's had um just excruciatingly lonely lonely uh like life and he admitted that you have to sacrifice something as you building a company and he sacrif IED real human connection right and there's not a lot of things in this world that can uh get us back on track if we just lose the skill of communicating with other people for the sake of for example generating cash a lot of what happens a lot in the men's World especially in the alpha alpha like uh sort of type of man which um I belief is is really toxic and I think that uh the the toxic masculinity is the real real thing and I think that men in our world world have to um understand that they there that being vulnerable is totally fine that asking asking question is totally fine that apologizing is totally fine and letting your woman make decisions for you sometimes totally or for the household is totally fine and and and I hope that we're moving in the direction where um you know like we we all have our roles right but at the same time I just want people to become softer and um maybe this is an idealistic world that I would that I Envision but I believe that uh we we do have chance for the world like that what do you think
Jane I absolutely agree and uh you talked about you know toxic uh like relationship between men we have same kind of thing in our womenhood but it's more connected to competition and I I just hate it I truly hate it I believe in uh women friendship I believe that only by supporting each other and empowering each other we can grow that's
33:18 Building Non-Toxic World
Jane what community is about and even if we do have the comp competitive you know products or service it's fine because everyone has you know her own women energy so you will attract people you want to attract so even when my community idea we were like the First Community with online International view with all this workshops and stuff when it was copied but by one of my teammates and she left I was just like she copied everything like the ideas the Styles the messages Instagram like everything and downshifted the price and I was just like okay okay that's fine you can you can do it you can try it I was just upset but I understand that everyone has a place and everyone will attract their own people so there is space in the world for everyone and it's very important to focus on yourself instead of focusing on everything like else it's just a destruction and try to I'm still open I still trust people and I think that trust is a big Bo booster for everyone so that's why I share it I am open I'm welcoming everyone maybe sometimes too much uh in my space but at the same time it helps me to attract people like me who also want to share who also have the kind heart who always trust who are always are kind and appreciate my time my investment in their lives and I just like to be surrounded by you know hundreds and hundreds of women who are very very supportive and empowering because it's non-toxic for me in my world it's very safe it's very open it's very you know heart-based and I think it's great because that's my mindset that's my way and I love it
Serhiy we have I don't remember the name the name of the guy but we have a creative agency here in Ukraine band you know B they they they won a lot of a lot of
35:23 Naivness as a SuperPower
Serhiy awards for best us like whatever create creative art or whatever and they the the the founder gave a tad talk in KF about is there a word naiveness naiveness or naivity being naive the the importance of being naive and I think that people like you and people like me are often considered to be naive by all these uh smartest especially business people who are who are actually putting their statues of ahead in front of everything right um they want to everyone to know that they are a CEO okay you are a CEO but the problem is that unless you admit that you don't know something unless you you like Ro romanticizing life to to an extent right unless you are naive to believe that people are good that we can that the dreams can become a reality right you're pretty much limiting yourself and I'm really really thankful that somehow uh I ran into you because as I'm listening to you I can't even believe that there is a person like you who are so uh so likeminded uh and so so similar and you you are an example for me you know how to not only speak about something right but actually take an action and uh even if you don't know what where the life going to take you to just take a risk take a flyer with something and go for it and just listen to your heart that I mean this this is mindblowing Jane to be honest with you didn't expect this from this conversation
Jane yeah you know because if you I like this quote when you try something you always win yeah because you will get either the victory or the experience but if you want try you will by definition lose so that's why when you remove your ego part and you just pursue something that you feel like you
37:52 Dissolving Ego
Jane want to try and there is always a space to learn that's why you know smart people think they don't know a lot but stupid people think they know everything you just move forward you just try it if it doesn't work that's okay try something else but at least you tried and that's what's very important to consider failures as an experience but not like you know defeats or something that actually brings you down just you know move over them uh I really like lots of inspiration but by very famous people like Merill stri very famous actress uh like on her first casting the the director told her that she's like super ugly and she's not an actress and she's just terrible uh or like Rihanna she was trying to win her Grammy so many times before she finally did and this story is is there just like all over the place so it's always a way where you try you try you try if and you are just keep doing this and pursuing something you really want never settling for less as I told you I think I think John Maxwell said that sometimes you win sometimes you learn right um how do people well
Serhiy you you you you you you testified that we have to try try things out before we can we can before we discover what we want we need to expose ourselves to the variety of options that the world has to offer uh be curious watch something ask something try something new talk to different people right what what is what are here's the question for you what are the signs of you of of the real thing what is what are
39:56 The Signs of Our Calling
Serhiy the signs that when you start doing it it's something that you should pursue and that's maybe your destiny or your calling how how how does a person feel when they're when they're finally found it so for our audience for them to understand that this is it this is what I should pursue this is something that I need to convert from my hobby to work for example what are your general thoughts on that
Jane I think that it should be definitely a hard Choice like choice that is made by your inner feeling because when it's right you will feel it and you will just understand that it's something that you're passionate about and you know you will not think about money at the first place you will think about how do you feel about it it will so much inspire you on daily basis and another very important thing for me is that you will never call it work like I don't call uh my building Community my mentorship for women as work kind of I work 247 that's right but it's just the way how I do what I love and uh you will feel how the money just comes as an reward for that and when you feel this happening that you're just so passionate you're doing it with all of your heart that's something you love to the bottom of your heart something that feel fills you up refills you up like I'm doing the workshops for women for example I do at least three per month I did in New York in Miami in Los Angeles in San Francisco in the last two months and it's organization it's you know renting a place it's doing all the photography uniting people marketing speaking for three hours like at least for 20 people will like did it exhaust me no I just felt amazing about it because I love it to the bottom of my heart for another person it will be a different experience that's why we're all different but you have to find something that really refills your energy so there like your your things that you're doing for your life is refilling you and it will help you to achieve your own dreams and feel amazing about it so I would just think about what you think is a perfect um you know way for you to feel what inspires you what brings you energy and just choose to do this something with the small steps maybe on a side like a hobby with your own job and then when it's grow just you know try to make it your main focus so you can earn more money but not like you know jumping into nothing so it can be done simultaneously building a safe pass for you to to work and to build your dream and earn enough money from that and you'll have lots of joy and happiness because our life is today it's not tomorrow it's right now it's limited
Serhiy yeah sometimes people when on this point sometimes people are trying things out on the side making this like just a small side gig or whatever but and that just stays how it is you see sometimes I think we need to take a lip of faith and and try to just invest more of yourself into something that you can really do without I think this is a focal point without being paid sometimes late hours if you do this something and you don't want to be paid or you can do it at night I mean that's already something and definitely definitely 100% when it inspires you and just it feels like you you you don't need to rest from it like you got got got energized just by doing it okay uh let's transition to a personal side of things I think that
44:04 The Secret of Healthy Relationships
Serhiy well myself like all my audience and myself included will be super interested in your perspective on healthy relationships because I saw that you did have toxic relationship in your life correct me if I'm wrong and I assume from you what you said that your current relationships are are beautiful and going to take you somewhere beautiful so what what how can people um find a partner because I think this is like like the Monumental question right now with all the mess that's going in the dating world with all the mess that's going on you know with all this apps and instant gratification and uh um so I mean how how do we find soulmate H what is the key what is the foundation for healthy relationships maybe based on your experiences both negative and positive
Jane thank you for this question yeah I think it's really fundamental because relationship is a great part of my life and I believe that each women each woman and man have to build hey relationships because it's something that brings us to a very perfect state of happiness and yes I did have different experiences a very toxic relationship for many years uh and after you know splitting up I was completely almost dead and then I had a chance to rebuild myself and build a really great healthy relationships with my current boyfriend we have a great story like we've met online three years ago build a business together online never seen each other dating online for two years and only after we've saw each other first time and we were like already in two years of relationships wow almost married online but then when we saw each other we were like 100% sure that it's you know soulmates but we knew that before just didn't meet each other physical so after we was we were together physically for three months I went back to United States and he was trying to get here visa for at Le I think at least four times and it was always NOS so now he finally got it and we're here together in in the United States it's a great story of connection and trust and understanding that you know the feeling of your of your partners that it's your Quantum particle is very important and again never settle for us yeah so we just know that it's going to work one day and it worked out when we you know could Unite Here so the basic rule uh I just want to give some give some context on my story uh about the healthy relationships is that you don't have to look for the partner you have to look for yourself after yourself and if you will do that and grow your inner world the right person will find you at right time so I don't actually believe in all this consistent dating and stuff like that yeah you just focus on yourself focus on your own world you know building your own growth so when you will meet your partner you'll be on the same level together with the same values with the same growth of course you don't sit at home and you know close up from the world you go you do things that's how we are but I that's what I think is the most important important because the real person your person it's something that should happen on the right time and if you are like pursue the part you'll probably face the person that is not best for you and I I don't think you should settle for something that is not best for
Serhiy yeah well this could this could serve as an example for all of us thinking that you know it should Be Love From First Sight sometimes you need to work right and all the time you need to work on yourself and after you I think that maybe when you meet someone who you can relate to in some way who feels like he's your soulmate or whatever you all also have to work on on the relationships right you have to kind of take care of them because other otherwise you can miss you can miss the person and and truly how many chances in life do we get to really build a family I think it's like it's limited right so what what about I think you know I I just think it depends on you if you want to work on yourself and you are open to work on relationships on yourself you have million of chances
Jane okay okay yeah so the universe will send people to you
Serhiy okay so it's just not it's sometimes I think Jane that I already missed the person but you you're saying that no I'm just gonna I just be the best version of myself like work in my craft uh be be my be the like someone who I look at the mirror and I'm proud of right and there's definitely going to be a person for me all right thank you for the dating
Jane yeah absolutely I I I'm absolutely sure in it because the right person will always stay with you if this person left is not a person for you and uh well you know when you meet someone if you feel like it's not 100% yes just not go for it don't settle again right yeah because I think that the purpose of the relationships is building a family maybe I'm conservative but I think that there is just you know it doesn't doesn't matter like why you date like why most of people right now date each other for fun I don't think it's right because relationships are more about family building it's again it's my conservative mind don't think that it's only one truth in the world but that's what I pursued all my life that I want to really have someone with whom I want to be to the end of my life to be happy together to support each other and have all this intellectual emotional physical energetical mental you know bound that we can really build something that makes a difference in the world otherwise I feel like you know pretty enough on my own and I don't want to you know f with someone my empty space my relationship it's not for that relationship for me it's like one plus one is 11 but not you know we're not parts of each other we are just building something bigger together and that's why we are together that's why I think we have to work on our own first so we make ourselves enough and from this feeling we build the families and build relationships together building really something powerful and enjoyable and choosable and actually great
Serhiy yeah this is really great I mean just be enough for yourself be enough and I think I think Joe despen also said that he's totally cool being like by
52:01 True Love is Loving without Needing Love in Return
Serhiy himself he doesn't need anyone for happiness right and I think in this case if you are okay being on on your own if even when you like if someone because a lot of people conflate love with the belonging like you know like you belong to me but true love is loving someone even without them loving you and not pretty much not caring about the the feeling that you get in return right so that's I think belonging the belonging is not a great word word because I think that's something that comes from abusive relationships like you don't own a person it's not your person yeah but I mean I refer to it as as a bad example that it should not be a sense of belonging like you know like you should do this because we are together no the person is totally totally up to doing whatever they want I I saw it's an it's an illusion
Jane it's an illusion that you can change someone or set up the rules just in the beginning you have to make sure that this person is right choice for you assuming that you cannot change anything of course you will grow together you will put lots of work into your relationships but you have to settle for
53:26 Settle for the Package
Jane the package because every person is a package and if you want to change someone you know for your own perspective for your own ego that's not right you don't have you know you don't have a right to do this so you have a choice to love this person accept them for who they are show what they you like you think is not right but leave them a choice to do what they want right that's why it's very important and we spend with my boyfriend with my partner hours and hours days and days days of conversations about our values like what's important for me what's important for him how we resolve conflicts how many kids we want like before we started the relationship we made sure that the package the package is of values is enough and correct for each other because otherwise you know it doesn't matter you don't have to it will be wasting our time even if it will be like such perfect you know relationships and passion but still it's not a great family maybe it's too logical but that's the way I think we have to consider when we are building a family healthy relationships and of course we will change together for better life and there will be lots of different things happening on the way but if we accept each other for who we are and you know all of the bad sides and we just you know we will acknowledge that we'll support and we'll go through this together
Serhiy yeah it's it's a good clarification package doesn't mean the package like the past it's the set of values mon your your basic values that you refer to as you go through life and if there is a fit I think I think correct me if from wrong do you do you agree that when we hire people to work for us there's a
55:21 How Hiring is Similar to Dating =)
Serhiy process pretty similar to this one you have the set of values for your organization right there is a similarity between dating and between between business world and Simon Sy said about this that when you like when you come to a date and you start saying that you have a car like whatever like an apartment in the down at the downtown whatever the same thing as people who hire they say we have this office like you have the social package so we are kind of trying to make a hire like by just bragging what do we have instead he argues we should say what we believe we at what we believe for example if you come work for me as a video editor because I have an agency and we held people with the creation of video content podcasts included and I say if you come work for me you we are going to uh experience a lot of a lot of apps ups and downs but at the same time it's going to be the most fascinating creative experience and and to like this is my value like you I want you to feel free creating something right and I'm always going to be in your corner so I think that it's super super um important yeah what you just said that set of values the package um because it pretty much lays the foundation of how how how you how your life can look together yeah
Serhiy um I wanted to ask you about the importance of mentors who are the mentors for you can here's here's a additional question can mentor be your friend or is it always a one street relationship like tell me about what what is your perspective um on mentorship
57:27 Perspective on Mentorship
Jane I think mentorship is a great way to learn and I think that the true growth is you know is really it's very inspiring and it's essential to have a mentor when you are really want a fast way to grow um I will not think that you know there a lots of boundaries about friendship or not friendship and stuff like that but the main key is it it should be a person who is somehow your point B when you're on point a so this person is really an inspiration for you and it has all of the experience knowledge values and results that you want to get and the main thing is have that your values have to match so I do mentorship for a pretty long time and the girls who come to my mentorship they are older than me always I don't know it's a pattern around their 40s and uh they are mostly facing immigration or sometimes they're just you know want to grow and develop their business and uh I comine stuff like being a a woman being very emotional being very flowing and uh you know living my life with my dreams but at the same time I'm very practical systematical logical and I have all this analytical business experience which lots of women Miss so what they want to get from my side from my mentorship is to you know get this system their analytical skill set and save their like you know state of feeling of being a a
59:06 Last Word
Jane woman being sometimes not super strong you know flow with the flow love the life have some time in their life for the family like all the stuff and not to make a business only one thing in their life so and I think that the mentor should actually like spread this feeling that they can give them a knowledge and system and be a safe field for the person where another person can automatically grow because when you in working in a you know together in a team you will automatically uh gain the mindset gain the skill set gain the experience but you'll also get get the state of mind and yeah I truly believe in mentorship I used to have some mentors in my life and in the different fields and it was my best experience ever so yeah
Serhiy best leaders are best follow are also followers and I think this also applies to mentorship if you if you want to be a mentor you also have to be a mentee yeah and I think for me I I have mentors who I've never met I think it's all I mean I believe that you can have someone who you see and who just got the same the same Foundation the the the same principles in life well at least you recognize yourself in them and that's something that I also recommend to Young Folks who I who I speak with and Al always say that if you don't know uh like who are you following check who you're who are you following why are you following these people ask yourself then break down like how they live dissect them under the microscope like and maybe you'll you'll you'll find even more inspiration because uh usually this could be like a like whatever like a Tipping Point for finding our uh profession like our real passion by maybe checking what the person who really admire do or maybe what what what they did in the past maybe someone's looking at you right now and they're recognizing them themselves like or at least what you're saying uh really really cor correlates with their their view of the world and they like ha she's doing this interesting maybe I should also do this I'm not trying to uh populate your competitors here but I don't know maybe that's that's a great work actually organize people uh be always surrounded by a group of people who want to learn I mean this is really really great
Jane absolutely absolutely because uh it's very important I think and uh you said that whom we follow it's very important because we still program ourselves on you know following some skill set and mindset and every public person like I consider myself a public person being a blogger for so many years and Performing everywhere I know that I'm an example for someone for someone not but I'm I'm just building and showing my life and the way I want it to be and I love the part that I can share it because I truly think that you know everyone can find something in this world what they want to feel and what they want to see and my my values my skill set attracts my people and they see in me inspiration they see me motivation they say thank you like thank me a lot and express lots of gratitude which is amazing and they're really very thankful for that um and I think yes it's really important if you want to share you have to share and your people will find you and it's very important that we just you know don't just get stuck in each other and uh close ourself in our own world if you want to inspire other people if you want to be leaders and we have this passion we have the skills it's important to shine and to be who we want to be
Serhiy thank you so much Jane I think that's a perfect spot to conclude this conversation guys shine bright shine like Jane does do you want to have like a some kind of last message to everyone listening to this podcast
Jane I think that the name of this podcast is amazing and uh to be yourself and just Shine for who you are it's very important because it's very inspiring you have everything inside of you all answers already and and sometimes we have to stop searching for them all over the place we just have to you know focus on ourselves and pursue our own dreams and be who we are that's super important
Serhiy okay guys so thank you so much Jane
Jane thank you Serge I really appreciate it thank you so much for inviting me for this beautiful podcast
Serhiy you're welcome okay I'm stopping