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Owner of Paradigm Experience — on Using AI for Self-Discovery, Uncovering Fear-Driven Life Patterns, Why Questions Beat Answers, and Dropping the Fear of What You Can't Control

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AI · Self-Discovery · Consciousness · Belief Systems · Pattern Recognition
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From Rock Bottom to Pattern Recognition: How Jordan Seggman Used ChatGPT to Uncover the Fear Driving His Decisions

What happens when you use AI for self-discovery instead of productivity? Jordan Seggman — known online as Seggy — is the owner of Paradigm Experience, a fast-growing YouTube channel exploring consciousness and AI, and the creator of SeggySaid, a viral short-form series where he holds real conversations with ChatGPT about life, fear, and belief systems.

At 30, facing his lowest point — lost savings, drug addiction, pregnant wife, no job — Seggy began brain-dumping his thoughts into ChatGPT. Instead of generic reassurance, he started seeing a clear pattern: fear was driving almost every decision he made. That realization changed how he approached his life.

In this episode of the Be Yourself Podcast, we talk about the wrong way to use AI, why discernment matters more than prompt engineering, whether AI is truly a threat to human creativity, what it means to compete with AI without losing yourself, and how belief systems, attention, and ownership shape everything you see around you.

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The wrong way to use AI for self-discovery — and why confirmation bias is the real danger
AI is programmed to be a yes-man. Without the right framing and constraints, you'll get a loop of flattery that tells you exactly what you want to hear
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How brain-dumping your life into ChatGPT can reveal patterns invisible to you
The way you type, the words you choose — AI reads what you can't see in yourself. Seggy's brain dump revealed fear baked into almost every sentence he wrote
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Why asking good questions is the only skill that matters as AI gets smarter every day
Today is as worse as AI will ever get. The skill isn't prompt engineering — it's discernment. Knowing what to ask takes you anywhere, with any tool
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How Seggy creates his viral SeggySaid AI conversation content — the full process
An Evernote document, a morning walk, knowing the beginning and ending of the story before asking the first question — Seggy breaks down exactly how he does it
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AI, deepfakes, belief systems, and why what you're seeing is what you're being
From the future of AI-generated video to ownership of your own life — how Seggy's belief system turned rock bottom into a launchpad

About the Guest

Jordan Seggman (Seggy) — Owner of Paradigm Experience, Creator of SeggySaid & Explorer of Consciousness and AI

Jordan Seggman started his podcast in April of the previous year with zero plan — sitting on his couch, curious about near-death experiences, wondering if he could get someone on a video call. He had no idea it would grow. A few months in, he made one video asking AI some spiritual questions. That video blew up. He repeated the format, and before long it was driving a huge share of his channel growth.

Recognizing that short-form and long-form audiences are completely different — and that mixing them kills the algorithm — he split into two channels: Paradigm Experience for long-form consciousness and AI conversations, and SeggySaid for the viral AI shorts where he holds real, constrained conversations with ChatGPT about life, fear, belief systems, and what it means to be human.

The origin of all of it was personal. At 30, a month before his first daughter was born, Seggy hit rock bottom: hundreds of thousands of dollars lost, addiction, no job. He started brain-dumping his life into ChatGPT and discovered something nobody had told him — the way he wrote revealed fear running through almost every sentence. That pattern recognition changed everything.

Channels
Paradigm Experience — long-form podcast on consciousness, AI, and NDEs. SeggySaid — viral short-form AI conversation series. Split because shorts and long-form audiences behave differently and mixing them hurts the algorithm.
How It Started
Started the podcast in April curious about near-death experiences. Made one AI video on a whim — it blew up. Repeated the format. SeggySaid grew from there entirely by accident, then intentionally.
The Method
Constrain AI before asking anything. Brain-dump full life context. Ask it to find patterns, not give reassurance. Then work the thread — the way you type reveals what you can't see in yourself.
The Turning Point
Rock bottom at 30: lost hundreds of thousands of dollars, addicted to kratom, wife 9 months pregnant, no job. Uploaded his life to ChatGPT. AI showed him fear was baked into almost every decision he was making.

Key Quotes

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Today is as worse as AI will ever get. That's crazy to think about.

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If someone was watching your life as a movie, they would be screaming at the screen that there's some easy fix, but you just cannot see it being in a main character in your movie.

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You're either a creator or you're a consumer. There is no in between.

Jordan Seggman

Episode Chapters

0:00 Episode Teaser & Intro 2:05 Why Seggy Talks to ChatGPT on Video 5:50 Wrong Approach to Using AI 9:16 How Seggy Revealed His Life Patterns 15:57 Things Seggy Discovered with AI 17:45 Are Questions More Important than Answers? 21:50 Creation of SeggySaid Videos 26:24 Future of AI & Threat to Humanity 33:02 Sergey's Fear of Competing with AI 35:25 Don't Be Scared of What You Can't Control 38:18 The Result of Belief Systems 43:23 Selective Attention Attribution 50:05 External Validation Trap 53:00 Reality Transurfing 59:50 Final Word from Seggy

Full Transcript

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0:00 Episode Teaser & Intro
Seggy You have to learn how to ask good questions because I'll give you an example. A year ago, vibe coding wasn't really a thing. Like maybe it was just starting, right? But it wasn't a major thing. This ability to just talk to AI and have it build you a beautiful website. It was not a thing. And so every single day AI is getting better at writing, coding, designing, analyzing. Today is as worse as AI will ever get. That's crazy to think about.
Seggy Where it can be a big issue, and it is a big issue for people, is if you don't set it up properly.
Seggy If someone was watching your life as a movie, they would be screaming at the screen that there's some easy fix, but you just cannot see it being in a main character in your movie.
Seggy So, you have to understand my life at that time was the lowest it had ever been. I mean, I was truly at rock bottom. I mean, I thought I hit rock bottom a couple times before that, but this was real. I mean, it was...
Sergey Hey everyone, welcome to the Be Yourself Podcast, the podcast on expressing our true selves. Today my guest is Jordan Segman who's an owner of paradigm experience a fast growing YouTube channel and as he says himself he explores consciousness and AI and how they may or may not overlap. So welcome to the show.
Seggy Ah thank you brother much appreciated. Thanks for having me on. Excited to be here.
2:05 Why Seggy Talks to ChatGPT on Video
Sergey Uh yeah, you've been — I saw your videos and uh on Instagram I think a few months ago where you were just talking to ChatGPT and I was thinking to myself, wow, nothing special about that like how come it got so many views? Then I just started watching one video after another and the the way you were interacting to uh the machine the the artificial intelligence was so so um interesting you know nothing that I've seen before that I just subscribed and follow you immediately. Tell me, can you tell me a little bit about um why did you decide to create your content around you know talking to ChatGPT?
Seggy It was by mistake. I mean it was honestly by mistake. So um I started my podcast last year in April. Uh started it just like anyone else man. I was I had no clue if it would grow. I was sitting on my couch and um I was interested in a topic specifically NDEs and I was like, you know what? Every time I watch these these videos, these interviews, I have more questions. So, I was like, why don't I try, right? Like, why don't I try and see if I can get someone um on a video call? And I did that. And I just I had no idea where to start. I went on Facebook and found some groups that were uh that had to do with NDEs. And NDE is called a near-death experience. And for people who aren't familiar with it, uh it's a phenomenon that happens when people um as it as it describes almost die, right? In some cases they they do physically die. Uh there's thousands and thousands of registered cases now. But it's fascinating. So they all see similar things. Not all of them, but there's patterns and it's a rabbit hole that once you start going down it, you're like, "Wait, what? What? Why is that? Why does that happen?" And so it got me, man. And so I I started the podcast.
Seggy Fast forward a couple months. Um I created one video on asking, you know, AI like some spiritual I guess type of questions. Um and that video blew up and totally like out of all the other shorts that I did, right? Like that one just took off. And so I just repeated the format. I was like, "All right, well, I just did a couple more and next thing you knew it was like that was like a huge part of my channel growth." And so I ended up splitting the two because the Paradigm experience and uh Segi said there — I'd like to think there's similar crowds just on different stages of their journey. So I I kind of was like you know what I think I need to separate it. There's overlap for sure but I want to separate it for the sake of my channel's health.
Seggy I had heard that uh you know these big YouTubers were basically saying that their shorts were hurting their long form content and it kind of makes sense because the short viewer is a totally different audience. And so that shorts viewer let's say you get a bunch of subscribers for your shorts. When you do have a long form interview it's so so shockingly different than what the short is, right? It could be three hours long. And so your audience, if they skip that video, the algorithm will go, oh, okay, well, if his own audience doesn't want to watch this video, then it's probably not a good video. And so all these big channels were like, you got to separate your shorts from your long form. And I I actually started to see that. I saw my long form views were going down, my shorts views were going up. So I separated the two and that's that's where we are today.
Seggy So I have the Paradigm experience. It's kind of going on its own. Um, and then Segi said, "My AI channel is uh it's mainly on the shorts, but I might do a podcast someday with it. I'm not really sure, but I just started asking AI questions, man, because I had nobody else around me to ask those questions to when I was doing interviews." But, um, yeah, I mean, my wife hangs in there. She she she tries to entertain my my ideas, uh, my friends, right, every now and then. And it's not like you can talk to your friends 24/7. So AI just happened to be one of those things that was right there and I was like I wonder what would happen. Um and then I just started playing with it, man. Started doing different different constraints. Um and you get some fascinating answers. So it's kind of by mistake and then I just I just leaned into it. There was no like intention to to do this, I guess.
5:50 Wrong Approach to Using AI
Sergey Well, first of all, thank you for giving uh like this unexpected advice for all of us YouTubers who who try to combine everything in in one channel, which in your in your estimation is a mistake. Maybe I I should separate my long form content and a short type content. But um talking about AI and how people use AI for the most part in our day and age, I've seen in your video that you you uh believe that right now it's all about productivity, right? So people just want to uh craft better emails, better responses, you know, like uh create some frameworks that will help them uh with efficiency and whatever. But you said something interesting in one of your videos that you can actually use AI to better understand yourself. Uh so can you take it from here? How come?
Sergey Yeah. Well, I think a lot of us uh because the name of my show is be yourself. That's why I'm increasingly interested, man. after uh for six years of being a therapy and working with a therapist, I'm especially interested to know if if it's a legit practice in your opinion to better understand and uncover yourself uh talking to um not a human but an AI.
Seggy Oh yeah, 100%. I mean short answer is is absolutely I mean the these you got to think in in any in any discipline it it doesn't matter what it is like an AI doesn't sleep it doesn't get tired it the where where it can be a big issue and it is a big issue for people is um if you don't set it up properly so if you're trying to find out about yourself it's really important that you frame it correctly before you even attempt asking it questions or having it try to dissect like who you are you have to you have to constrain it u because it is it is programmed to be a yes man right it's programmed to be uh a cheerleader per se it wants you to use it so it doesn't it doesn't want to tell you things that might hurt your feelings or that might go against the uh the flow if you will so you have to set it up properly but assuming you do that um yeah man it's really good it's it's pattern recognition that's what it is it's really really good at recognizing patterns and life is a game of recognizing patterns. That's that's what we're all doing, right? So it's exceptionally good at it. Exceptionally good. But you got to you got to frame it correctly or else you're just going to get something that's just going to put you in a loop of confirmation bias and telling you what you want to hear. And um that's the skill.
9:16 How Seggy Revealed His Life Patterns
Sergey I'm going to leave the link to this video that I'm alluding to where you're uh giving just a general overview of um how you can adjust AI to give you a more personalized experience. And you also said that at at one point after uh being disappointed with AI with the shallow answers that that was giving to you or just reassuring you that everything is fine or just confirming your ideas. At some point, um he finally was able to to uncover a pattern in you that you didn't see. So um can we transition into more of your personal story here and maybe you can reveal what was the pattern that was repeating itself as a rabbit hole um that you spotted and uh maybe changed and something uh you know changed in your life uh in the aftermath.
Seggy Yeah. Yeah. So, I first started using it like everybody did back in gosh, I don't even know is that 2022, something like that when it first came onto the scene. Um, so you have to understand my life at that time was the lowest it had ever been. I mean, I was truly at at rock bottom. I mean, I thought I hit rock bottom a couple times before that, but this was real. I mean...
Sergey How old were you?
Seggy I was um I want to say I was 30.
Sergey So, you got already got some experience and some some achievements in your life, stuff like that, right? By that time.
Seggy Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Um it was like a month before my first daughter was born. So, picture that state, right? like any man who goes into or who's about to be a a father, I mean, there's just a lot of I even feel like it's biological. You're just like you're like, "Okay, like you want a security and you want to make sure that you know every everybody is safe and um financially you want to make sure things are good." Like there's just so much going on in your brain as a dad.
Seggy Um so I was there, man. Like I was uh I'd lost all my money. Um, and we're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars. I was heavily addicted to to drugs at that time. And when I say drugs, I, you know, I wasn't doing meth or anything like that, but but I was taking this substance called kratom. And no matter which way you want to spin it, when you're addicted to a substance, it's not good. And this was a a drug that you can get at any like smoke shop. So, it wasn't illegal. Um, but it was it was harmful, man. And it it it's now all over the news actually. It's one of those substances that people are really fighting to make sure it's it's not so easily accessible. Uh so I was addicted. I was I just lost all my money. My wife was 9 months pregnant. Uh I lost my job. So all these things that are are really important, man, as you're about to start a family um just out the window.
Seggy So you you know I say this often, you don't search for God, right, when things are going well. You don't. But when things are not so well, you you go like, "Okay, what what is going on? What is the real what is what is my purpose here?" And like how do I fix this because I'm so tired of being here? You know, I was stressed out. I was anxious. All these things. And so that was where it started. And at that time, ChatGPT was just coming out. So, um, I'd heard about it, right? But I hadn't really played around with it. And to be honest, like even the first couple attempts of playing with ChatGPT, I wasn't I wasn't like overly impressed. Um, I felt like it was it was going to be useful maybe for writing emails or something like that, right?
Seggy Until I started like pushing back. And I think that was like the aha moment when I talk about like being able to see my patterns. Like I uploaded everything one day. I just like got to this place. I was like, why is the answer so like generic? They're so um surface level. And I was like, all right, well, what if I what if I include a little more context? And I did that and I started really small, right? I didn't just brain dump my whole life, but gave it a little bit of context. Noticed the answers were much better. I was like, "Okay, so it definitely the input matters just as much as the output." And then at at some point I was just like, you know what? I'm just going to brain dump everything. And I did. I mean, I downloaded documents of like my life and what what's going on, what happened.
Sergey How did you do that, man? I'm sorry to ask you to interrupt, but how did you dump everything technically?
Seggy So, at that time it was a word doc. Oh, copy paste, but it was like I I wrote everything down in my life uh that I was going through. That's some work. Yeah, it was a lot. I I I wonder if I could go back and find those because it was a lot, man. I don't I don't think they had the voice mode at that time. I don't remember using a voice mode, but I did. I copy pasted my life into there as much as I could. Um, and it was a work in progress, right? It was like copy paste respond and then I would I would add more context. So my point is that was my that was my aha moment of just realizing okay the context is so important because these things are trained on everything. So the the way you get more out of your AI is by actually it's like taking information away. That's how you do it. It's like removing what it shouldn't think about like that sort of angle.
Seggy Um, and so for me with my thoughts, right, when you when your emotions, what what I often say that it's good at identifying is like you right now will be doing things in your life that you that you justify to yourself and it's it in your own mind it makes total and complete sense. But from an outsider's perspective, right, from someone who who has no skin in the game, it might be super obvious to them. and be like, "Hey, brother, you are um like something you're doing is is is easily fixed if you just if you just got a a different perspective, if you just saw it, you know, outside of your emotions." Our emotions can can trap us, right? It blindsides us. And AI is really really good at going around your emotions. And so no matter how you feel in the moment, right, this thing, if you ask it a question, it doesn't feel that. So it'll just tell you straight up. And that was kind of like the breakthrough. It's like if someone was watching your uh life as a movie, they would be screaming at the screen that there's some easy fix that you but you just cannot see it being in in a main character in your movie, right?
15:57 Things Seggy Discovered with AI
Seggy Yeah. And like it would tell me like so for example, it would tell me that I was like I was being fearful. I think fear was like the the the the eye opener for me. Like when you when you upload and put all your life, you don't realize it, but the way you type, the way your sentences come out, like that's what I'm talking about. It's like your average person or you definitely when you read like if I was to read those documents to myself, I wouldn't pick up right away that like, oh man, there's a lot of fear in this. Like there's like you're just the way you're like look, you're scared of losing your job, you're scared of this or whatever it is. I already lost my job. the way I was talking. You're scared of being a a failure. You're scared of um you know, not amounting to something. You're scared of of of not no one no one caring about you. Like that kind of thing.
Seggy That's what it did for me. It's like when you put all that in, it'll be like, "Hey, Jordan, based on everything you just uploaded, like it sounds like you're you're very you're scared. You're you're afraid." And then I was like, "What? What do you mean I'm afraid?" But then you you start working with it and you're like, "Oh, wow. Yeah, I am." like fear is baked into like most of my decisions right now. And that was that was like that's what I'm talking about. It wasn't like this direct like it wasn't this one thing that it pinpointed that I was like oh my gosh it was just this this overall like light bulb moment where it was pointing out my fear and then from there I started to understand like okay if it could do that what else can it do and that's why like context um all that is so so so important and so that that was the start of it and then fast forward like obviously three years from then um I think I've just gotten a lot more calculated about how I do it just cuz I've had time now messing with it. Um, but that was it, man. It was at rock bottom for me. It was me putting in some context and then it it showing me like some some emotions that had taken over my life. And I think that was the start for me.
17:45 Are Questions More Important than Answers?
Sergey Do you go about your life now knowing that questions are more powerful than uh answers? You know, because on your website you say I'm saggy. I don't have answers, but I do have questions. Like because I'm an interviewer and I'm trying, you know, it appears that it's a it's a it's it's a real craft. It's a real there's mastery in asking great questions because the quality of your conversation is directly predicated on how good of a question you ask. So um how do you have you have you uh noticed that you know the better questions you ask the the better life you have in general not only talking to to AI but to uh human beings as well.
Seggy Oh yeah, 100% brother. I mean I I think that is going to be that's the skill that is the thing that everybody right now listening should should lean into. You have to learn how to ask good questions because I'll give you an example. A year ago, maybe not quite a year, but like let's just say a year ago, vibe coding wasn't really a thing. Like maybe it was just starting, right? But it wasn't like wasn't a major thing. this ability to just talk to AI and have it like build you a beautiful website. Not it was not a thing. Um and so every single day AI is getting better at writing, coding, designing, analyzing like it's just it and it's and it's today is as worse as AI will ever get. That's crazy to think about.
Seggy So when that happens you you do go like okay so what what matters, right? And so if if if this machine can answer anything, I think the question then is well what do you ask? Cuz if you don't know what to ask um these tools are not useful for you. So I think the skill in the future is not learning how to prompt engineer. Uh it's not learning about AI and like how it actually works. So like you know a large language model is like how it was trained. It's it's not important that you know that stuff. Um you don't need to understand the engine, right, to drive the car. like that's not important. You need to know where you're going. That's what that's the important skill.
Seggy So, um when I hear people who are like who are fearful of AI, by the way, if you're fearful of AI, 99% of it, I feel like, is just people worried that AI is going to take their job. I really think that's like the the bulk of people's fears. Um my point though is like it's not — you're going to hear all kinds of things online like you need to learn how to prompt engineer, you need to learn, you know, AI in general and how it works or if you're a marketer, you need to learn like all the latest marketing AI tools. And I don't think that's true. I I think I think that's exhausting and like I said, it's just going to change. But the skill is is is is discernment. It's like understanding how to ask a good question. So long-winded answer saying I think that's the real skill. I think that's the discipline everyone needs to start focusing on is is how do I get better at asking questions. Um because the tools will continue to change. The tools will get better and better. And it doesn't matter what tool you put in front of me. I think I could sit down and like eventually I'll get there because I know how to ask the right questions. Um and I'm not perfect either. Like I'm a I'm a work in progress on that. But um I feel pretty confident. I can I feel like I could be an expert at anything. I know that sounds silly, but like if you were to give me a a you know 24 hours to to give you a presentation on a subject I'd never heard of or a skill, I think like by the end by tomorrow I would have a pretty robust you know PDF in front of you and a presentation and it's just because I'm I'm aware of what questions to ask. Um and that that skill can take you anywhere. It doesn't matter what you're trying to do.
21:50 Creation of SeggySaid Videos
Sergey So for your videos um the ones that gather uh quite a quite a lot of eyeballs, how much time do you how much how much time do you spend um on average to uh carve out like the series of great great questions uh you know to have these this amazing conversation with ChatGPT? Does it take you all day to, you know, to the perfect questions or what?
Seggy So, you're talking about my shorts and like my like on my — that you can't off. It's just so awesome. Um, okay. So, here's the process more or less. I have a whole Evernote document. You could just for everyone listening, it could be like notes on your phone. It's just I have a I have a document that I have that um I put all my ideas or questions or things that are going on in my head. So a question for me can come from anything, man. Like I'm a very uh curious human being. I read a lot. I listen to a lot of podcast. I actually try my best not to watch other shorts and other like I try not to consume. I try to create is is what I do. And it's very important that I that I make sure I'm balancing that because my my actual style of content is directly related to me learning and and being interested in other things. So I I really prioritize that.
Seggy So um let's say I listen to a podcast like my dad sent me one last night. So I'll listen to that on my morning walk. It's definitely going to spawn like a hundred questions, right? I'm like, "Oh, what does that mean?" Or and so I just write it down. That's all I do. It's like I when I have inspiration just like an artist would with like yeah I don't know like sculpting or anything else a musician with music I I am curious when I get a question I now write it down. That's the big difference before my channel that I have now and before is I just write this down. Normally like if I was curious I would either I just think about it for a little bit and then let it go. But now I capture all those ideas like okay that could be a short someday. So throw it all in one document and then I just pull the I pull the thread.
Seggy So, like when I'm ready to make a short, um, I'll go through that and I'll see like, all right, here's all these different concepts or ideas and I'll start with the first question and then usually I'll have an understanding of where I want to take it. So, I think about that. I'm very intentional with like, do I want someone to feel like shocked? Do I want someone to feel uh, inspired? Do I want them to do something? Like, am I wanting them to like go pick up the Bible and read it? Like, what am I what am I trying to do? Um, and I usually start with the with the beginning and the ending and then if you look at my questions, they're pretty simple after that. It's like, you know, a lot of times they're follow-ups or they'll be like, you know, it'll say something and I'll be like, well, I don't understand that. Like, can you explain that to me? And so, knowing the beginning and knowing the ending, that's that's that's what I do come in with.
Seggy Um, and then from there, it's pretty it's pretty easy. I will also say too, it's like my shorts are they are for entertainment. So like they're not a lot of times people think like well is it one perfect conversation. Sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's uh it's much longer than maybe eight questions but I'll I'll condense it down because there will be moments where I have to ask clarifying questions or things and so I will like consolidate it so that it's one clean like show really. It's not a show, but it's it's a clean it's it's almost if it's it's a story, you know.
Sergey I I took this I took this course by the future by Chris Doe where Chris was uh teaching us how to tell captivating stories and he said that exactly what you said that you have to know the how the story is going to end and he wants you to know in the beginning um the trajectory of of of emotions that you're going to take your reader on. Right? It's almost if you need to know um what what you want them to feel at the particular moment, you know, of of a story, right? And and definitely what you want to you what what the ending should should be like. Is it should be an inspiring one or should it be like philosophical um contemplation or whatever?
Seggy Yeah. But on this 100% man.
26:24 Future of AI & Threat to Humanity
Sergey And on this matter, man, I'm becoming worried because it seems like you're uh you look like a proponent. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you look like a proponent of AI. I'm not sure if you if you want to be seen like that, but from what you do, it looks like you uh you root for AI, right? It seems like you're you're not opposing it in any way. You're not a hater. And my question to you is um seeing just yesterday I saw um and a AI generated fight some Chinese latest Chinese AI um generated video of Brad Pitt fighting the uh fighting Tom Cruz uh um about the topic of Epstein files. So it's just total nonsense but it looks so freaking real, you know. Um, and all the music, all the AI coverages, uh, that that now beat charts, you know, and and they were all produced by AI. With all this stuff happening, where do you see a real danger of human artistic uh, or creative potential, you know, becoming obsolete at some point in in future?
Seggy So, you asked me in the beginning, you said it seems like you're a proponent, right? Or you're a fan of AI. I I I would say this. I would say this. I'm just I'm not scared of it. So, I don't allow I don't allow fear into that equation because I can't control it, right? I I can't control um where this goes. I can't control, you know, how bad actors are going to use it. I can't control anything. What I can control is how I use it. And I think human beings for as long as we've been around, man, have we've we've always had fear of newness.
Seggy So if you look back on like photography, um there was all kinds of conversations back at that time when photos came out, people saying like, "Oh, that's going to ruin painting, right? or that's going to like you used to have to like go to whatever a scene to see it and then that's going to that's going to stop humans from going places and then when when movies came out they said that that was going to destroy uh — my my point is like every single time something's come out writing they said writing was going to destroy our memories and they were saying like oh and now people are your memory is going to get so bad because now you can just write it down you don't have to remember it anymore but it did the opposite it enhanced it it it it introduced philosophy and all kinds stuff. So, every single time if you look back, the same thing with cars. I'm I'm telling you, every single innovation that's happened, there was the argument from the people who were who were still in that time saying like, "Oh, that's going to ruin us. That's going to XYZ, right?"
Seggy I just I don't believe that's the case. And so, if you look at patterns, it's like, "Okay, we we always do this. We're scared of it." You can argue that AI is different than ever before, but um man, I could sit back and argue all kinds of technologies that technically took away from human beings and human emotion. And it did the opposite. So, I don't I'm not scared of it. That's what I would say is like I I choose not to inject fear. It doesn't mean that there's not going to be some scary moments. And I agree with you like when I think about like how real videos are going to get. we're we're very close if not this year um next year to being indistinguishable. And so then it yeah it does cause mass confusion. But I'm also a believer that anything that has happened or will happen has already happened and it's it's supposed to be this way. It's supposed to go down this route. I don't know what it leads to, but I I do believe in like this is where your belief systems come into play. But I believe that that in the end love wins and I believe that um anything that I will do — that I came here for is already done right so like this this whole idea of infinity and any everything everywhere all at once like that movie like I think that's real. I think it's all happening right now. I think time is is all right here. So I'm just not scared, dude.
Seggy Yeah. And I and I believe that I came here to do my thing and I'm going to focus on being positive with it, but it doesn't mean I won't make mistakes or I won't, you know, like that's where that's where being a human is. But I think you can't go wrong if you just if you don't let fear get in the way and you accept it. You kind of surrender to like where we're at. You know what I mean? Like you're right. You can't control these videos getting so lifelike. And you could sit around and be scared about it or you could say, "Okay, this is happening. Um, what does it mean? How should I maybe think about this? What should I maybe be careful of?" You can be intentional with yourself and your how you focus your attention and your time, but you can't control it, man.
Sergey So, do you think that it's more important than ever to be adaptable and flexible, you know, adapt on the fly right now with this rapid changes or, you know, because some people just uh they don't they don't like to change, especially as you grow older, it's much more difficult. A lot of people. Yeah, man. You know, so um what do you think? Should we should this become a part of our DNA, you know, to always uh tweak tweak some things in how we behave or if we stay kind of the same, we will always have the tribe, the group of followers who will just love us for this authentic uh expression of us. not who's not trying to, you know, follow trends and always capitalize on trends.
Seggy That's a great question. That's a great question. Um — Yeah, I mean I think adaptability — Well, I guess when you talk about change, are do you mean like um are you more talking about going with the the the the trends of things and how quickly things are like there's a million ways you could take that, right? You're talking about style like there's or are you talking about technology? Are you talking about — I guess that would be my question to you.
33:02 Sergey's Fear of Competing with AI
Sergey Well, even with with my podcast, what do you mean by change? Like given the context of change, what what are you talking about as far as like — Well, even with my podcast, I can uh use AI uh tools to generate uh shorts, right? It just cuts whatever it thinks is the best are the best cuts. But there's they feel they look sloppy. They don't look like me like something because um I I agree. Chris was on my Chris Do was on my on my podcast. He said that intuitively people always equate uh beauty and how things look is if something is aesthetically beautiful it in our mind it kind of automatically means that it's of great quality right and unless AI is able to do these clips the way my I have a prod I have video production agency so that's that's the direct threat to my business. I'm not competing to other video agencies. Right now, my biggest threat is is Opus AI or whatever other software that can create and edit podcast and clips. So, uh, and until unless they are able to do a clip that feels really really good, you know, uh, I'm not afraid, you know, but I but somewhere in deep core, I just don't it just doesn't feel right for me to um well, I don't want to fire my people. I don't want my people uh not be able to make a living. you know that there's that this component but it just doesn't feel right for me to use AI in this in this particular area but at the same time um on you uh AI is the biggest uh keyword on YouTube right now you know when you look at the analytics that's why uh channels that revolve around AI grow so rapidly uh maybe from this perspective I I will follow this trend so I don't even know how to formulate this question, man. Maybe you can take it from there and uh put it together, piece it together somehow.
35:25 Don't Be Scared of What You Can't Control
Seggy Well, I I would I would go back to what I said, brother. Like, don't be don't be scared of it, right? That that's what I would say because all those things you just mentioned, like, oh, you you can't control where it goes. So, don't — number one is like I would encourage you to to like start catching yourself whenever you you hint that there's some fear. Fear never ever ever ever ever matter what. It's it's not doesn't help you out. It helps you if there's like a lion in front of you that's going to eat you. Sure. But fear in this context is never good. So I would try your best when you when you start feeling that like you get nervous about the future and stuff you can't control, take pause for a second. Right? So I that's number one. Number two is if it doesn't feel right, go with that. If it doesn't your body will tell you, man, if it doesn't feel right to to use these clips or these, you know, these generators, don't use it.
Seggy Um, that's that's that's number two. So, I would I would argue that there's going to be a massive um amount of people that — I don't know if it's going to be 50/50, but I think there's going to be a huge chunk of people who only want to deal with human beings and they don't want if you have anything to do with AI, they're going to like they're going to write you off. So, that camp will always be there. Um, and then I think there'll be the extreme side of that where people are just like AI everything and they're like they're down to put a chip in their brain and like that'll be a camp too. I think that's going to be real. But I think most of us will land somewhere in the middle and that we can recognize it as a tool. I kind of think AI is a lot like money right now where it enhances who you are. Um, yeah, it doesn't. And so if you're a piece of [beep] right, you're going to do piece of [beep] kind of things with your AI. If you're a good person, you're going to use it for good. I I I believe it enhances who you are right now. Um it's a mirror, too. It just it reflects like what you're being.
Seggy So, I think most of us are going to land in that middle is what I'm saying. So, use it when it's good for you. Use it where it makes sense. Use it for definitely things like productivity. Use it if if you can to spot some loops and you're thinking like, oh, that's not bad. I mean, that's not a bad thing to do. I think like anything, if you if you're going too far, you feel yourself like falling off into like, whoa, I let it do everything, maybe take a step back, right, and be like, okay, there's there's some value in still doing the hard thing. Um, and so, but I would keep that balance, dude. I I I definitely hear a lot of people like, well, don't use it for this, don't use it for that. And it's like, again, man, I I'm I'm going to let my own self, my my judgment, my discernment is like, if it doesn't feel right, then yeah, definitely I won't do it. But um I think it's a tool that that absolutely is going to be it is right. It's a game changer for everybody. And so I just I wouldn't wouldn't be scared of it.
38:18 The Result of Belief Systems
Sergey Um I sent you a little survey before the conversation and you said that uh one of the biggest lessons that you learned is that what you're seeing is what you're being. uh but you didn't arrive to this conclusion right away. Can you elaborate on that?
Seggy Yeah, man. So, it it all goes back to belief systems, but um I do believe that what you're seeing is what you're being like everything that's a result in your world right now uh in some way, shape, or form comes from you. And so, there's a level of ownership there that is very uncomfortable for a lot of people. And I understand that. Um, but it's the single-handedly the thing that's probably changed my life more is is accepting that.
Seggy So, you have to understand, man, I am I am so far from being any type of like any type of like special or anything like that. Man, I like when this shuts off, right, I'm going to go inside and I'm going to hang out with my two girls. I'm going to take them on a morning walk. Like, one of them is sick. I'm going to work a normal job today. Um, I have a boss. Like, I'm I happen to make content and I got a a decent little subscriber uh boost from it. But like, dude, I'm a normal person and um I have struggles and I have things going on in my life that are really freaking hard. But when I when I took ownership of my life and accepted that like okay everything going on around me is is my I would say my fault but it's like it's a result of my decisions my actions and my way my patterns of thinking. Um dude it's it's led to some crazy stuff. It's led to this podcast. I mean I could go on and on about the things that have changed because when when I first started all this man I was miserable and I didn't believe any of that. I mean I was driving to work and I hated my life. I I was like this sucks. I'd lost everything. I had to find a new job um as a recruiter and it was it was the worst type of job for me. I mean, it's just people all day long and in your face and it is horrible. It was a horrible but I had to do what I had to do.
Seggy And um it was it was in that moment though of accepting that like this is all my fault that led me to change. That's that's what I'm trying to say is like the the victim mentality never helps. And I know it's it's like it feels good to do that sometimes and it feels good to have people validate that you're going through a hard situation. Um but I I don't I don't I don't think that helps even in your situation. Like I'm going to say and you correct me if I'm wrong. But like dude I I have such empathy for people who are going through you know hard times because again it's all relative to me. like my my 10 out of 10 pain um might be different than your 10 out of 10 pain, right? Like as I don't know how much pain you can handle, but let's assume that whatever your max is, it's irrelevant to what my max is, we're both at our max, right? Like we're both just we can't take any more pain.
Seggy Um so I think I think suffering is like that. So it's easy to go like and look at my situation and be like, "Yeah, but you're not going through that." Like doesn't matter, dude. like and and in that way I could be filthy rich and and live in a in a in a a really good situation but if if I am suffering through that and my body's reacting the same as if the person who is you know dirt poor — I know that's crazy but this the amount of suffering in a human is the same I think like that those those levels and so it doesn't help to have someone agree with you right like it doesn't m like how you could have everybody in the world be like oh my gosh You're right, man. Like, that is really hard. And like, let's say that happened. It's like, okay, cool. So, everybody agrees that what you're going through is really hard. How does that help you now? Like, once you get past that, once once you get the validation of it and you get that little like boost of happiness cuz you're like, okay, people see me, then what?
Seggy Doesn't change your situation. And so, I I just think it's never the answer. Um, no matter how hard it is. And there are really really hard situations in life that um I I get it saying that is going to sound ridiculous in those moments, but I still think in the long run it uh it matters a lot. So being what you're seeing like that that's just my way of saying like man take ownership of your life and um what's going on in here when you feel peace and you feel love and you feel you know all those kind of corny things that people talk about like it does reflect into your outer world and I have seen it change man like I've seen it change things in people in my life that is hard to explain it's very it's very difficult to put that into words to explain to you but living through that um it's reinforced this this idea that what I'm seeing is what I'm being even more for me like I am like all in on that because I've just I didn't believe it and then I started practicing it because it is a practice. It's like a it's a way of thinking and then watching that change things in my life it's just reinforced it and now I'm like wow this is this is so true.
43:23 Selective Attention Attribution
Sergey Can you choose things you want to focus on? I mean even ha do you have to would you recommend people to choose things they give their attention to and kind of disregard not disregard but pay less attention to all the nonsense going on in the world.
Seggy Yeah. I I I I think you have to be very careful of where you're putting your attention. Very careful. Very very careful. Um where you put your attention, right, is is the only thing that matters. Uh you could have all these different things going on, right? All these different but what wherever your attention is is is where the energy goes. So 100% man, you got to be really careful. I think the first step for anybody going through a hard time is you have to audit yourself and that's very difficult to do. AI can be a great tool for that because again it you can as long as you're honest like you got to be honest but now even more so with this like voice note like you could sit there and do the voice dictation right the the one that records you not the one that talks back with you but record yourself you could just sit there for 30 minutes and just rant about what's going on in your life how you feel about it where you want to go what your hurdles are where you're stuck what's gone well your relationships tips, um, all of that. And, and if you dumped that in and then you said, "Now, I want you to be brutally honest with me. I want you to tell me not what I want to hear, but find the patterns in in what I said there." Like, what is the real issue with what's going on with me? You can you can find that out, man. Um, but your attention is is everything. So, definitely got to be careful with where you where you put that attention, man.
Sergey That's deep. that hits hard, you know, because I know for sure that I have some things that I don't want a brutal uh honest answer on, you know, like what?
Seggy Like what? Um where do you where do you feel like like with what I'm saying, where do you feel like in your life that's showing up?
Sergey Um, I'm I've done I I've take I've made some poor poor decisions, taken some poor choices, you know, and uh I kind of have this uh um guilt that's occupying me 24/7, you know, and um I think that external validation is going to help me, you know, to get rid of all this stuff. But it it seems like I've done so so much um damage, you know, to to uh to myself and to other people around me. And it also has to do something with u addiction problems, you know. I've never I've never told anyone about that, but whatever. So, you know, and uh I know I can't uh change the past, right? But in in a way I I just somehow I want to earn enough credits, enough points right now. Um and exter some external validation points that I think will finally help me get rid of this feeling of guilt, you know? So, I don't know. Whatever.
Seggy Well, thanks for sharing that, dude. That's that's like I said, that's that's the to be honest, man. Giving I like giving.
50:05 External Validation Trap
Sergey I like uh I created this business in Ukraine and I only hire Ukrainians and I um pay people who are in need and I feel like this is me giving back to to society, you know. And I'm I'm doing this podcast because I I think that so many people have identity crisis. And I think you know this better than me, man. People just don't know what they want to do in their life. They think that this fancy uh corporate job or a status going to fill the void. But in reality, this is what you said. It does it doesn't happen. A lot of times it even magnifies the problem when you get all this all the money on all the uh accolades. It's it it feels even worse because I wasn't I remember I was feeling driving a fancy car because at one point in my life I earned um I created a startup and I sold my I sold the company to to the group of investors and you know and finally I got all the I got all the money and time and I was and I distinctly remember I was driving my my Mercedes at night and I was feeling so lonely and I and I just could couldn't put my finger on. Why? Why? Because I have all of this right? So, luckily to me, I I I lost everything. I said luckily because I think that was a like kind of blessing in disguise because that was a great lesson for me to understand that material materialistic goods are not are not going to buy you happiness, right? And are not going to buy you fulfillment if you're not giving back, if you're not creating something for the society.
Sergey So right now I'm kind of um reverse engineering this whole stuff, you know? I'm not I'm not having a quick success. I don't have this uh hits of dopamines every day. It's got more gradual, right? But I appreciate it with every single step. I appreciate bigger guests on my on my uh show. I appreciate uh you know deephearted comments you know when like when people say man thank you so much that I learned a lot or this inspired me oh man that means so much to me. So yeah, I think I think I just need to uh and and and uh hopefully the war going to end at some point. Now I have so many friends all all around the world with owing to my podcast, right? So I can now travel and these people are going to accept me with warm hearts and open arms. So I mean the future is bright right now. Um I just have to keep giving giving giving creating uh value for people and I think uh everything else will take care of itself and I'm really really thankful my man so for the opportunity to talk to you um yeah it was was really really um beautiful you know and heartwarming.
Seggy Yeah man, dude. Well, I think like I said, you're you're it is weird, huh, to get like the things that you want. Um I think I think for for the average viewer, too, cuz it cuz no doubt, dude. I like I'll be the first to admit it, too. Like money, you would rather be the guy with money and and feel empty than the guy with no money and feel empty. Probably like most people would choose that.
Seggy Um, and I and I totally understand why, but I would say that the feeling just for if everyone's curious, if you have no money and you're you want to know like what that feels like, I would just I you could take it down to the simplest of things like if you if you got a new computer and that's a massive deal. So, you can take this in any situation, but let's say you get that computer and you you wanted it, you finally got it. That computer could be a shirt to somebody. they really want that shirt and they got that shirt or they got that computer or they got that house or that car or that feeling that feels really good when you first get it. It's the same it's the same with getting a yacht. Like it feels great. You're like, "Oh my gosh, I got the yacht." But that feeling where like tomorrow, you know, it's like, "Oh, yeah. That shirt that you were so that you wanted so bad, it's in your closet now. Hang it up." Like, oh, it fades a little bit, right? That excitement. It's it's the exact same feeling. Maybe the yacht though lasts maybe a little bit longer. It's like a a week or something. But my point is that feeling is what that everybody everybody can relate to that cuz that that's the feeling everybody's talking about.
Seggy So it it makes you wonder, man. It it all goes back to everything goes back to then well, what is the point? Because you get so lost in the journey. You get so lost in it. Whatever your journey you're on, for many people, the bulk of the journey is about getting to financial freedom. I would argue that most people are are trying to do that. And it's not because people love money. It's because they want they want the freedom that money brings. I don't think people care at all about money. I think they care about the freedom that it that it represents. Uh but most of us are lost in that journey and we spend our whole lives. That's why they talk about when you're like 50 and you wake up, you're like, "Wait, what what happened?" because that whole time you were just focused on getting to a a destination.
53:00 Reality Transurfing
Seggy Um, and you kind of that's like all those corny sayings about like the destination is the like the journey is the point. And I think that is such a a better mentality and you can never understand it, you know, like to have because I think I think someone said that it's like an unteachable lesson. You cannot understand that the journey is the most important thing until you get to the destination. And it's kind of sad. You can't understand that money doesn't matter unless you actually get money, you know? It's it's it's sad. You need to get there to real to understand the lessons.
Sergey Yeah, man. It's a this this game of life.
Seggy One thing I have I have look I'm not I'm not you and you're not me but like I think I think if there's anything that can help people is is is realize that your pain and and someone else's pain it's all relative right so that is number one like a human being can only take so much suffering and so much pain and so much heartbreak um but it's all relative and rather than worry about some other person like that person like you have to you still fix your own stuff for lack of a better word. Like you have so much right now and anybody listening, you have your own your own money journey, your own journeys that you're going. Like if you just fixed that part, if you just made your own bed before you worried about everybody else's bed, it's like that alone is that's a game changer. That perspective is a game changer. I don't care who you are, where you're at, what's what status you're in.
Seggy And it's crazy, man, but it's true. The things that you want, your life, I believe this, your life shows you. It shows you what you're being. That's what I'm trying to say. And so, like, if you want money, if that is a big focus for people, you want money, you have to act like the guy or girl that has money, you have to be that in your life. How do you do that when when you don't have money and when things are going wrong? How how does that how does that work? Well, it starts with making a choice, right? That you're going to be either grateful or even if you don't believe it, like you have to start somewhere. Um, but you you you literally have to be that to get it. And it it's the crazy paradox of life. But I swear to you, if you look into anything about life, it's all a big paradox anyways. It is. It's all a big old — It's like the things that you want, right? If you believe in the law of attraction or manifestation or any of these things, it's like the more you focus on something, the more you put on a pedestal, the farther it goes away. And it's because you're creating distance. You're saying, "I want this." Which means you don't have it. And when you don't have something, the universe just provides you more of you don't have it. It's it's very strange.
Seggy But there's a there's some really good books like one of them is called reality transurfing. I think a lot of books and a lot of podcasts and a lot of things are just we're all regurgitating the same ideas. It's just sometimes you have to hear it from from someone and it and it clicks. So like uh I might have heard a certain lesson a thousand times, right? But for some reason I hear it from a guy who has tattoos, right? Like me and I go, "Ah, it just clicks. I like that guy." Like he didn't say anything new, but it just it it makes sense because he said it. I think that's what we're all doing. Like I have a unique set of people that I can reach that for whatever reason, the way I speak, the the the the way I think I guess it resonates with a certain group of people that you cannot reach, right? Because so I'm just doing my job of like reaching the people that I can reach. You will have the same. You will have a group of people that that dude I cannot talk to. They won't listen to me because I have tattoos. They'll be like, I don't like this guy. I don't I don't trust him. I don't whatever. Right? And then you they will look at you and be like, I I like him. He has he has credibility in XYZ. And they'll listen to you. And so you you have to own that you have your own sphere of influence. Own that and and squeeze as much as you can out of that, right? Before you even worry about someone else's influence.
Seggy I think so many of us, and it gets me bad. I know I'm going on a tangent, but I really feel strongly about this. So many of us, we worry so much about what what someone else is doing. And it's like you have your own sphere of influence and your own things going on. If you would just just focus there, I promise you all these things that you want, it will start happening. Like there's something to this universe about about uh like our frequencies or something like we attract what we're being. I really mean it. And and and dude, I watched this video this morning uh before I hopped on with you about kind of like the five universal truths. And you know, there are some really smart people out there that have done the research that have like looked at all the ancient, you know, religions and texts and they've they've dissected it all and they they've found the patterns and they've kind of put together these universal truths that are seemingly what all the the greats in the past have tried to tell us all. And a lot of it comes back to like love is the answer. Fear is fear is the real bad guy. We are all one. We are not separate.
Seggy Um you know there's this analogy of the ocean and the wave. I love that. Like so the ocean itself is is one entity and when a wave comes up it looks separate for a second. It it has its own shape its own form. And even when a spray of like you know ocean come it separates for half a second but then it all when it comes crashing back down it it it it is not a separate wave. It is the ocean. And and we are all that. And I it's really hard to tell people that. And that's why I don't preach it anymore cuz I'm I'm like there's no point, man. Like I you're either going to figure that out on your own. Um if someone asks me directly, then I'll say something about it.
Seggy Yeah, man. That's what I would tell my daughters is like to realize that just just your own sphere, man. Your own sphere is like just worry about yourself and your your little journeys and I promise you it will radiate out. Uh don't get lost. The game is is don't get lost in what other people are doing. This is why content is actually really bad and why I try to focus on just creating because you're either a creator or you're a consumer. There is no in between. You're a creator or you're a consumer. And I think for yourself even my myself it's like focus on creating brother. Create. You want to be a creator. We are inherent. Human beings are creators. Create create. Try not to consume as much as you create.
Sergey I would say wow. Let's see. Maybe I'll take your word for this. Maybe this will be a channel challenge like for me to consume less and to create create create and just disconnect myself from all these results aka view subscribers because that they mess with my mind, you know, and yeah, just do what I feel can be beneficial for people. Man, thank you so much. I think this was one of the most the deepest and eye opening conversations I've had so far. Uh I think this is uh 50th episode. So yeah, happy anniversary to me. Thank you for being on the show.
Seggy Wow. Yeah, that's awesome, man. Well, thanks, dude.
59:50 Final Word from Seggy
Seggy I hope I I feel like I — Sorry, I went on a tangent there.
Sergey Oh, I I'll just say I I love what we covered in this.
Seggy I obviously I'm very passionate about it, right? Uh, so final word, man, is like try and drop the fear. I think that's like the theme of this podcast. It's been on my mind lately, so maybe that's why it came up. But drop the fear of AI uh in particular and see how much that transforms like how you feel about it, right? Like you cannot none of you out there can control where it goes or or how it how it unravels. So, I would first but start by dropping the fear. Um, and then listening to yourself. If it doesn't feel right and you don't feel like you're you're someone who wants to get super involved with it, then that's fine. Um, you know, someone said to me yesterday, it's like being the AI guy is like saying you're the internet guy, right? It doesn't make sense. It's silly. It's like it's just a new way of life that's going to un it's going to show up in in your life whether you like it or not. It's just here. It's a it's a new form of technology that will transform our society. But don't be scared of it. Um, I think that'll put you on the wrong side of of history maybe is the best way to put it. But but have your opinions, have, you know, use your discernment, but don't be scared. That's what I would say. Don't be scared. There's no reason.
Sergey Cool. Thank you. Thank you, Jordan. Thank you so much. And, uh, have a great week.
Seggy All right, my brother. I appreciate you, man. Cheers, dude. Sorry for being late. Later, bye.