Serhiy Yeah, speaking of building a rapport with people and having this joyful experience at work, what are the traits that you think allow you to be that good at what you do? And like do you think it's important a question that I really like to kill your ego specifically in your job?
Keli Yeah man. I mean, it's it's hard sometimes, you know, to, you know, I guess apologize or say that, you know, someone is right or whatever, if you know that you're not wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Take the high road. Yeah, but when you're dealing with, you know, talent and crew and all these things, even if you know, you're you're you have talent or or whatever that can, you know, you have a a little bit of a situation, I guess, like you were kind of alluding to that isn't always, you know, a perfect um, you know, environment or Uh, I think that, yeah, as a producer, you have to you have to take the high road. Yeah. And so yeah, I mean there there have been so many times in my life and career and whatever where I've said no this is wrong, you know, but taking the high road. I think it's important, you know, but you you there's always a middle ground and there's always, you know, it's about communication. So to answer your question, I think yeah, if if someone is like jamming down a producers's throat or something and that producer knows that this is wrong, cuz I'm sure that obviously that happens. Um, is handling it with care and proper communication.
Keli I was sitting next to David Kekner on one of our movies, I'll never forget a movie actually that just screened called Tender that I was an EP on. and uh I was in it as well. Uh and we had David Kekner on reboot camp, one of our first movies and uh such a great guy and pleasure to be around and talking about all the elements. He's certainly got all the elements. He's a pleasure to have on set and he's an incredible actor, incredible person. I was sitting next to him and my wife called. We were on set and she said something like, "I'm at the front door and it's locked and I said, "Oh." And I was supposed to keep it open for her or something like that. Mhm. And I said, "Oh, oh boy." And she's like, "Do you have the key or did you leave it?" I was like, "Check my pocket or something." I was like, "Yeah, I got it. I got it." And I was like, I'm so sorry. I I'm so sorry that like I'll I'll meet you now or and we came up with a plan and uh hung up the phone and she was like in a rush for a meeting. It was like a bad situation, but she's incredible and she handled it well. But I apologize, blah blah blah. And Kekner is sitting next to me and he turns to me after the call and goes, "You're a good communicator. You're a good communicator."
Keli And that was it. That's that's all he said. And I'll never forget that moment because I I wasn't really thinking about, you know, anything other than, okay, I messed up and owning up to it. And I think that's a really important quality to to have in life and in film and just, you know, taking your losses. You're always going to get an L, right? That's you're going to you're going to have losses, but as long as you can stack up those wins, you'll be all right. But that was definitely an L for me. I mean, I I messed up. And so I think um I think that's that's the proper that's what you got to do if you if you want to have those qualities to lead. Um, you have to admit your failures and uh, and you have to be able to communicate and even when you know if that call had gone the wrong way and maybe I was being yelled at or whatever it was, having to find that ground where you can communicate effectively even in those those moments that don't feel safe or don't, you know, um, appropriate. Uh so as a leader I think that's your job to be able to communicate effectively and lead and so yeah communication is key and then having that drive and that determination to get the job done no matter what the obstacles and is equally as important like we've talked about this entire zoom and I think that's like a throughine of this of this uh interview um But yeah, I can't say enough about communication and I as I remembered that moment with Kekner and like I said, I wasn't thinking about it, but he shined a light on that and um and it it helps you to dive into that even more. So yeah.